
Abdolkarim Lahdiji, vice president of the International Federation of Human Rights Leagues, discusses in an interview with Rooz the negative repercussions of the Iranian Majlis Speaker's recent visit to Sudan, following the Sudanese president's indictment for crimes against humanity. In Lahidji's view, the recent verdict issued against the Sudanese president demonstrates that the world is shrinking for criminals with each passing day. Read on for the interview.
Rooz: How do you evaluate Mr. Larijani's recent visit to Khartoum?
Abdolkarim Lahidji (Lahidji): The justification that Mr. Larijani provided for his visit shows that, like other officials in the Islamic Republic, he has no understanding of international norms. The International Criminal Court's bylaws stipulate that one condition for investigating a crime is that the crime must have been committed by an individual whose country has adopted the bylaws of the International Criminal Court. However, another principle in the bylaws states that when the Security Council proves the presence of an international crime, it can ask the International Criminal Court prosecutor to investigate the matter. With respect to Sudan, this process has been completed. Mr. Larijani knows that if this process becomes a trend, then it is possible for certain Islamic Republic officials to be subjected to similar investigations. Therefore, he engaged in this trip to console Mr. al-Bashir and also to address concerns by the country's senior leadership.
Rooz: Given Mr. Omar al-Bashir's international image, how does Mr. Larijani's presence in Khartoum affect Iran's international image?
Lahidji: The supports coming in for al-Bashir indicate the existence of a club of international criminals, who think that no one should bother them no matter what they do. The excuse brought up by Islamic Republic officials is, why doesn't the International Criminal Court address crimes that took place during America's invasion of Iraq, or at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib? Or, why doesn't anyone investigate crimes conducted by Israel during its attacks on Palestine in recent months? The point is that, as human rights activists, we have protested and continue to protest those acts. But that does not mean that we regard Mr. al-Bashir or certain Islamic Republic leaders to be innocent. We cannot say that if, in one particular instance, an international court is investigating someone who has committed crimes, that is not correct and that the person must escape justice like other criminals. In the modern world, following the establishment of the International Criminal Court, human rights activists found a ray of hope that the era of getting away with crimes has ended, and that international criminals will one day pay for their actions.
Rooz: It seems like a new development has taken place in international criminal justice as a result of which not just criminals such as Omar al-Bashir and former Chilean dictator Pinochet, but also individuals from other countries, such as America, could face justice. Is this interpretation correct?
Lahidji: Yes. Ever since the International Convention Against Torture was passed in 1984, it was agreed that if a torturer does not have the nationality of the country where he is residing, but that country is a member of the convention, even if that person is visiting that country as a traveler, the country that is a member of the convention is obliged to arrest, put on trial and punish the torturer. In the past three year, and on the basis of this very principle and convention, the International Federation of Human Rights Leagues has issued more than 10 indictments against Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney to European countries, which they intended to visit. Our intention from these indictments is to make the world smaller for criminals with each passing day. In America too, with the coming to power of the Obama Administration - which is reversing many anti-human rights laws passed during the Bush era, including the torture policy that was imposed by the Bush Administration on the judicial system since 2001 - we hope that the federal court would one day investigate these crimes. The American member of the International Federation of Human Rights Leagues, which is headquartered in New York, has filed these indictments with American courts.
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